I think you give us too much credit. This
very planning team has been shot down rather painfully by the planning commission
in the past. I doubt the commissioner who told you that meant that to sound
like a planning team has any power outside the boundaries of the plan process. Believe
you me, I’ve never felt we’ve been granted any extraordinary powers
and corresponding responsibilities. If I had, I would have demanded a new
identity, a paycheck, and a bodyguard. ;-)
To be honest, this otherwise seems like a
pretty small semantic difference. Representing the plan should ideally be
representing the views of the neighborhood. In that the plan can be
changed, it is hypothetically doing this. It’s just that folks
haven’t chosen, for whatever reason, to pursue that avenue in favor of
momentary panic and outrage. I don’t see a problem with that; I
think a deliberative process should exist. I doubt that planning done my
crisis management would be a pretty thing.
Anyhow, rest assured, we can’t any
more go in front of commission and say: “Well, the plan says this, but we
don’t feel like that this week..” than we can go up and just
fabricate ideas or neither we nor the plan would have any credibility
whatsoever, kind of rendering the whole process a waste of time. To my
knowledge, neither of these has happened or I wouldn’t be a part of it.
-D.
From: [at]
[mailto: [at] ] On Behalf Of Ryan
Clinton
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008
3:54 PM
To: Kirsten
Cc: NNDL Com
Subject: Re: [nndl] NLNPT's Role
Kirsten,
Thanks for your concern, but I am not confused.
While I concede that one could make a perfectly defensible, albeit strained,
argument that the planning team's voice is not intended to reflect, or viewed
as reflecting, the preferences of the neighborhood, that viewpoint is incorrect
for the very reason you point out: the plan is intended to reflect
neighborhood preferences, and the planning team is intended to advocate for the
plan. Thus, in practice, at least in the one neighborhood battle I got
involved in, the Planning Commission believed that when the planning team
spoke, the neighborhood spoke. I was told this directly by a member of
the commission.
And the specifics of my experience are telling. On the issue, the
neighborhood plan was silent--- it said nothing. But the planning team
members communicated to the commission that had they thought of the issue when
they wrote the plan, they would have indicated in the plan a position that was
contrary to the views of the adjacent homeowners. A member of the
Planning Commission told me that he appreciated the objections to the proposed
project, but that he had to go with the advice of the planning team because they best represented the views of the
neighborhood.
So I respectfully and strongly disagree with your conclusion. Our
planning team's leadership matters, and the voice of the planning team is
viewed as communicating the preferences of the neighborhood.
Regards,
Ryan
On Jan 31, 2008 3:26 PM, Kirsten < [at] >
wrote:
There seems to be some confusion as to what the planning team is and,
consequently, who the chair of the planning team represents. Neither the
team nor the chair represents you, the neighbor. When we are asked to
vote on an issue, for example the opting in or opting out of properties for VMU
designation, we are not doing it as representatives of the thoughts and
opinions of any of our neighbors - we would not be so presumptuous. The
planning team's role is to serve as a watchdog for the neighborhood plan.
Any votes we take on zoning and planning issues in our neighborhood are based
on the intent and the dictates of the plan. The chair then represents the
NLNPT in any instances where a contact person is needed, a letter is required,
etc. - he or she is not your representative elected to speak for your
"collective preferences".
The neighborhood plan, on the other hand, should reflect the neighborhood's
"collective preferences". If it does not, then we need to go
through a plan amendment process - a process that involves not just the
planning team but the Planning Commission, the City's planners, and,
ultimately, the City Council. The downside of this is that it's tedious,
requiring phenomenal amounts of time and effort. The upside is that you,
the neighbor, have many bodies with which to voice your opinion to - the
planning team cannot dictatorially and whimsically determine the fate of your
property all by their little lonesome.
Oh dear, I hope I haven't discouraged anyone planning to join the NLNPT in the
hopes of partaking in the vast amounts of power it (mistakenly) wields? :-)
Kirsten
Ryan Clinton wrote:
It doesn't matter how much
you like Patrick, how long you've been best friends, how experienced he is, or
how brilliant and insightful he is. It is not okay for someone elected to
represent our collective preferences to drop f-bombs in e-mails to neighbors
with whom he disagrees. I would implore you, Patrick, to please tone down
the acrimony in your e-mails to the group and individual neighbors.
Everyone should tone down the rhetoric, sure. I'm not defending anyone
else's behavior. But not everyone is elected to represent us and speak
for us.
Thanks,
Ryan
On Jan 31, 2008 12:05 PM, David Papas < [at] >
wrote:
To me
also, this recent back-and-forth is a continuation of the argument that began 6
months ago over the Howard's development.
It is
about people fighting for a say in what happens in their neighborhood - wanting
to be included in decisions that often affect them…
And…
About
people who have been working the issues for 8 years or more using a completely
public and open process in cooperation with the city, neighbors, and local
business / land owners. These people are having trouble figuring out how
to constructively involve new people long-term instead of having them instead
involve themselves in a less desirable sort of short-term crisis management
fashion, figuring out why some people would rather seem to *prefer* reacting thus instead truly getting
involved.
The
message is clear:
If you
aren't in the club…
Come on
down and get in! Don't settle for getting riled up for a few weeks only
to get back on the merry-go-round again every few months. If you want to
make a difference though, be prepared for the long haul: progress moves
painfully slow. Most people just don't hang around long enough to get a sense
for how this work goes. It's no wonder there are huge misunderstandings,
really. You don't have to fight. Seriously, you just have to show
up and get dirty.
Trust me,
you aren't too stupid; fresh ideas are always needed and desired. Still,
you might want to sit in on a few meetings and see what really goes on, get a
feel for the process instead of relying on overheated internet hearsay from any
quarter. Keep in mind, we're just neighbors, not professional
politicians.
Look
folks, I know Patrick can be abrasive, but I have worked with him on planning
issues for near 8 years now. We have not always agreed, but I will say
that no one is more technically or philosophically competent on the issues than
he is. Period. Making this a referendum about him, or how many friends he
has in the 'hood, or whatever is not going to help the situation.
Everyone
knows that email is well known for its capacity to blow perception of
negativity way out of proportion. Let's not try to unnecessarily polarize
this. We all know and respect that people get concerned and want to do
something, and rightly so. Let's instead try and make that
"something" productive instead of just cheesing off all the neighbors
and creating a lot of ill will that we will all then have to work out before we
can get back to work. The further this goes, it will be that much harder to
come to any kind of consensus.
-D.
From: [at] [mailto: [at] ] On Behalf Of jody horton
To me
this recent back-and-forth is a continuation of the argument that began 6
months ago over the Howard's development.
It is
about people fighting for a say in what happens in their neighborhood - wanting
to be included in decisions that often effect
them more
than the people making the decision - and being told in no uncertain term
to shut the hell up.
The message
is clear:
If you
aren't in the club, you are ignorant and your opinions don't matter.
If you
aren't in the club its your fault.
So what
if we didn't tell you about something we were deciding on about the land in
your back yard?
You are
too stupid to understand it anyway.
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