Hi All,
There is rather lengthy article in the
Austin Chronicle today that discusses Vertical Mixed Use (VMU). I found it to
be very insightful and informative. Thanks,
Ernest Santos
From: [at] [mailto: [at] ] On Behalf Of Kirsten
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008
8:54 AM
To: 'NNDL Com'; 'nnadl List'
Subject: Re: [NNADL] [nndl]
Planning Committee results
Yes, I agree. It will save me from having to
automatically delete any messages titled 'Planning Committee Results' after
seeing how this discussion has degenerated. Disclaimer: I am a friend of
Patrick's and a long time member of both the NLNPT and the NNA - is the
target going on my back next?
Kirsten Bartel
Cristina Helmerichs wrote:
I would thank all of these discussions to be taken off
line... the list serve is not the place for this... and this
applies to both
Cristina H
Chris Duel [at]
wrote:
Alright...
You are arrogant and self righteous aren't you? (as mentioned by
several neighbors so far today)
I gave you one apology, you're not getting another one.
There is no part of 56th street
that is any narrower between the house
and proposed VMU than any other.
By the way, most of the neighborhood doesn't like you. They're just too
polite to say it like me.
Don't respond...
Sorry neighbors, this is the end of our little personal spat. I'll
visit him at home if I need to say anything else.
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On Behalf Of Patrick Goetz
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:11 PM
To: 'NNDL Com'; 'nnadl List'
Subject: Re: [NNADL] [nndl] Planning Committee results
Chris Duel wrote:
> Although I appreciate your crafty use of "big" words, your
regular
> pretentious quote then answer format
you mean communicating in a discoursive fashion which allows
participants to follow what is being discussed? Yes, I agree that
that's pretentious and weird compared to Fox News' style foaming at the
mouth.
> and of course the completely
> irrelevant political and world references to further "prove"
your
> intellectual superiority.
If you think the subprime mortgage crisis and the value of the dollar is
irrelevant to local land use and your personal financial well-being,
particularly if you're a realtor, then party on Garth! Or as George
Bush the senior once famously opined, "don't worry, be happy".
> I'm simply pissed off!
> You (and I mean the NA and planning team and even the damn city
council)
> can sugar coat and justify it all you want. The people that should
have
> been directly consulted are those of us that live with in a couple
> hundred feet of the proposed changes.
What you're basically saying is that Will Wynn or Brewster McCracken
should have personally knocked on your door to talk this over with you
before proceeding, since your opinion is the only one that matters.
While that is a rather interesting perspective, the fact of the matter
is that every adult Austinite was given ample opportunity to weigh in on
the VMU issue. There were endless meetings about this, Brewster
McCracken presented his roadshow at dozens of neighborhood meetings and
widely advertised events, and you could easily have attended the NLNPT
meeting where this was being discussed to voice your opinion.
So the response to your assertion is simply: no. It is not anyone's
responsibility to directly consult you about anything that doesn't
pertain to your personal property. Sorry about that. If you don't get
off your ass to vote, your vote is not going to get counted -- it's as
simple as that. And I completely agree that democracy is the worst
political system that's ever been proposed -- except for all the others
that have been tried so far.
> And I promise that no one on the
> planning team or NA lives closer than I do.
And you would be quite wrong about that. Care to wager $100 that at
least one member of the planning team's house is closer to the
commercial property between Koenig and 56th than yours?
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