Re: [NNADL] [nndl] Planning Committee results

Yes, I agree.  It will save me from having to automatically delete any
messages titled 'Planning Committee Results' after seeing how this
discussion has degenerated.  Disclaimer: I am a friend of Patrick's and
a long time member of both the NLNPT and the NNA -  is the target going
on my back next? Kirsten Bartel Cristina Helmerichs wrote:

I would thank all of these discussions to be taken off line... 
the list serve is not the place for this...  and this applies to both
 
Cristina H Chris Duel [at] wrote:

Alright... You are arrogant and self righteous aren't you? (as mentioned by

several neighbors so far today) I gave you one apology, you're not getting another one. There is no part of 56th street that is any narrower between the house

and proposed VMU than any other. By the way, most of the neighborhood doesn't like you. They're just too

polite to say it like me. Don't respond... Sorry neighbors, this is the end of our little personal spat. I'll

visit him at home if I need to say anything else. -----Original Message-----

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Subject: Re: [NNADL] [nndl] Planning Committee results Chris Duel wrote:

> Although I appreciate your crafty use of "big" words, your regular > pretentious quote then answer format you mean communicating in a discoursive fashion which allows

participants to follow what is being discussed? Yes, I agree that

that's pretentious and weird compared to Fox News' style foaming at the mouth. > and of course the completely

> irrelevant political and world references to further "prove" your

> intellectual superiority. If you think the subprime mortgage crisis and the value of the dollar is irrelevant to local land use and your personal financial well-being,

particularly if you're a realtor, then party on Garth! Or as George

Bush the senior once famously opined, "don't worry, be happy". > I'm simply pissed off!

> You (and I mean the NA and planning team and even the damn city

council)

> can sugar coat and justify it all you want. The people that should

have

> been directly consulted are those of us that live with in a couple

> hundred feet of the proposed changes. What you're basically saying is that Will Wynn or Brewster McCracken

should have personally knocked on your door to talk this over with you

before proceeding, since your opinion is the only one that matters.

While that is a rather interesting perspective, the fact of the matter

is that every adult Austinite was given ample opportunity to weigh in on the VMU issue. There were endless meetings about this, Brewster

McCracken presented his roadshow at dozens of neighborhood meetings and widely advertised events, and you could easily have attended the NLNPT

meeting where this was being discussed to voice your opinion. So the response to your assertion is simply: no. It is not anyone's

responsibility to directly consult you about anything that doesn't

pertain to your personal property. Sorry about that. If you don't get

off your ass to vote, your vote is not going to get counted -- it's as

simple as that. And I completely agree that democracy is the worst

political system that's ever been proposed -- except for all the others that have been tried so far. > And I promise that no one on the

> planning team or NA lives closer than I do. And you would be quite wrong about that. Care to wager $100 that at

least one member of the planning team's house is closer to the

commercial property between Koenig and 56th than yours? _______________________________________________

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