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A strip center would almost surely not have a primary entrance at the
south end.

That is the main issue that I and most of the people opposed to it have.

The south entrance/exit brings a lot of traffic through the hood.
Especially since this is
residential. People learn the paths and shortcuts and ways to avoid
the lights.

I posted a breakdown of some key aspects of the prelim traffic study
Endeavor presented on this political site:

http://www.austinpoliticalreport.com/2007/10/02/chalk-one-up-for-the- [1]
good-guys/#comment-130

If you guys can look at it objectively I think some of you might feel
as I do - that it was crafted to minimize the
presumed impact of the development and avoid traffic count triggers
in the code.

That's a pretty bold statement I know, but that is what I think.

This study, more than anything, made me feel like Endeavor was not
being straightforward with us.

Take a look at it again-the map we were given with trip gen studies
and see what you think.

I don't want to start another firebomb here at all, but I do feel
strongly about it.

Some of you may disagree and that is your right. But take a look at
the study we were given again and consider it critically.

On Oct 3, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Patrick Goetz wrote:

> jody horton wrote:
>> Lately strip centers seem to have been vilified by Endeavor - and
>> all of us.
>>
>> So I thought I would stick up for them.
>>
>
> If traffic is the major concern (this was the primary argument against
> the Endeavor variance after all), then the problem with a strip center
> is that strip centers generally generate more traffic than the
> Endeavor
> proposal would.
>
> Yes, some strip centers can be cool, but the price of this property
> would dictate businesses that generate a lot of traffic.
> Less traffic = fewer sales = less profit = lower rent.
>
> Of course there are some instances where smaller businesses --
> especially utility retail -- can survive WITHOUT a lot of traffic, but
> these require mixed-use, so there is a reasonable captive audience, so
> to speak, of customers that can just walk to the business.
>
> There are endless books, papers, etc. written about all this
> stuff. The
> reason the Triangle exists is that the Austin City Council, under the
> leadership of Kirk Watson, REJECTED the original CENCOR strip center
> proposal precisely because it would generate too much traffic in
> surrounding neighborhoods. The idea was the residential component
> would
> allow for smaller, lower traffic businesses to survive. Tom
> Terkel, VP
> of CENCOR, got the new urbanism religion soon thereafter and is now a
> huge proponent of projects like this. Here is a fun experiment you
> can
> try close to home. Go stand in front of any of the entrances to and
> from the Triangle and get a read on how many vehicles are going in/out
> of that entrance/exit. Now go stand over in front of one of the
> entrances to Central Market (Central Park) and check out the traffic
> through there. No great surprises; Central Market has a constant flow
> of cars going in and out while the Triangle has very little traffic.
> Central Market is a strip center, and the Triangle is mixed-use.
>
> Finally, someone suggested that they preferred a strip center to
> apartments, since strip centers close at night while apartment
> residents
> come and go all night long. Actually, the opposite is true. Most
> apartment dwellers have visions of sugar plums dancing in their
> heads at
> night, while strip centers can easily have high traffic businesses
> that
> are open 24/7, with people driving up and peeling out after buying
> some
> late night cigs (or whatever).
>
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