[nndl] Re: [NNADL] inviting a speaker

Of course I wouldn't be opposed to hearing about HPNA's process.  My
point was that they have no obligation to inform us and, instead of
asking them to go out of their way to share their information with us,
that we should be the ones taking the effort and time. As far as HPNA's success (although that might depend on who you talk
to), I suspect it has mostly to do with the number of people belonging
to their association.  There's strength in numbers and if you want to
have a position of power when it comes to negotiating with developers,
the Planning Commission, the City Council, you need a large group of
people with you.  The NNA could be as "successful" as the HPNA if we
can get our numbers up.  "Many hands make light work" and those many
hands could prevent the burnout we frequently encounter when the few
volunteer their time and can't manage the amount of work they're
subsequently burdened with.  I know whereof I speak - my husband was
chair of the NLNPT and became so exhausted and embittered that he
dropped out of any neighborhood involvement for two years (although he
did hang on and deliver newsletters for another year until finally
letting that go too). I keep hoping each post will be my last because, like Clay, I hate
flogging a dead horse, but, when the discussion is civil and even has a
sense of humor (thanks - was it Stephan? - for the plannese speak) I
enjoy myself too much to stay quiet.  One last thought...I have just
finished Anthony Bourdain's 'Kitchen Confidential' and I was struck by
an old saying he kept repeating because it resonated with me as far as
community involvement goes: Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Kirsten jody horton wrote:

You are right. A lot of people contributed to the Triangle
discussion. I didn't
intend to diminish their contribution at all, but only to
demonstrate that HPNA has
dealt with some very large projects and been effective in
creating a positive change. 
      
If someone was willing to come from HPNA and inform us of the
project on our boundaries
would you be opposed to it Kirsten?

It can't hurt to ask I think. Maybe we will learn something. 
 

Jody

On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Kirsten wrote:

How about, instead of making people who have
already done tonnes of work meeting and developing their projects, ie.,
the HNA, go out of their way to keep others informed, that people
curious about the 51st. St. project and the HNA process take some
initiative and attend a couple of their meetings?  One point of clarification...the HNA wasn't solely responsible for the
improvement of the Triangle's original plan.  I can list neighbors from
the Northfield neighborhood and from the Ridgetop neighborhood, members
of the North Loop Neighborhood Planning Team, who also participated and
voiced their opinions. Kirsten Laura Mondino wrote:

Clay has a great suggestion:

 

think we should invite a representative from
the HP NA to inform us of what is happening at the 51st location.

 

That will have an impact on our hood
too-especially the immediate vicinity.

 

We might also get some insight on how they
stay informed and what their overall process is for insuring that any

development fits into the neighborhood as a
whole.

 

 

Yes, I
believe it can be very helpful to learn from others who have also some
experience.  You know, that synergy….. J

Jody, thank
your for the suggestion.  If you know of someone appropriate, I would
love to come to the next meeting and hear!

laura

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I don't think being in the neighborhood for
any length of time entitles anyone to sell their property for any
purpose.

 

If your next door neighbor had lived there
for 60 years and wanted to sell his home to a developer to build a
super 2

would this same argument apply? Or would you
feel that you, as a resident, with however much less seniority also had
a right in what is built in your neighborhood?

 

If we are looking out for the interests of
people who have been here a log time, you will find a lot of original
home owners

that live on 551/2 street. Many of them have
been here since the early 50's. And many of them supported Howard
through the years.

 

These are the same families that were not
considered in the negotiations with the developer, or even told about
the project.

 

If the Howard's rights matter here (because
they have been here so long) why don't their rights and opinions matter?

 

 

A NEW DEVELOPMENT IS COMING

Yesterday I heard of another development that
is going up on 51st (south side) on the tract of land East of the

Intramural Fields. I don't have many details.

 

The HP NA has been working with the developer
from early stages to change the overall plan of the site and make sure
it respects the neighborhood. Already they have made a lot of progress.

 

However some of you may feel about the HP NA
they are extremely well organized and knowledgeable and have a great
deal of experience.

 

For instance, we can thank them for the
Wednesday Farmers markets at the Triangle - one of the coolest things
that has happened for our neighborhood in years.

 

Without their efforts that green space would
have been a parking lot.

 

As many of you know, in its first incarnation
the Triangle was going to be a Cineplex and a Randal's. Due to the
efforts

of the NA we have what we have now. Its not
perfect, but its better than it would have been.

 

I have heard a lot about how the next buyer
of the Howard's lot can just do "anything they want" without input from
our NA.

That we will be powerless to the whim of the
market and against whoever ultimately buys the property.

 

That is simply NOT true.

 

I think we should invite a representative
from the HP NA to inform us of what is happening at the 51st location.

 

That will have an impact on our hood
too-especially the immediate vicinity.

 

We might also get some insight on how they
stay informed and what their overall process is for insuring that any

development fits into the neighborhood as a
whole.

 

Jody

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:00 AM, Marcus R wrote:

...and
so it goes...did anyone ever think about the Howards... congrats...
they were in this neighborhood for so long... and look what you guys
did... I'm sure they are appreciative of the efforts you have all put
in... and by the way i have been try

On
10/4/07, Sebastian Wren
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wrote:

True to his word, Jamil has terminated the contract with the Howards,

and has withdrawn his proposal for development in our neighborhood. Obviously, I won't be writing a letter to the Board of Adjustment

because there is no need. Cheers. ____________________________________________

Sebastian Wren, Ph.D.

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